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Terra Xin · Sep 04, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

"Knock, Knock"

"Who's th......."

"Interrupt Mesmer"

Gwen pwns in my team. I'm glad she's a mesmer. I always thought Norgu was a little too silly. I <3 Gwen. And she looks really pretty in the armor I got her

Ohhh that's funny I love it. im gonna tell all my guildies this joke

My Sweet Revenga · Sep 04, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by upier

But the big question is - can the other classes do it better?

I dunno about other classes attempting to do a mesmer's job better, but I can tell you for sure, Gwen can tank and dish out damage better than most wammos I've seen.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=461954

As for WHY Gwen is the mesmer, well let's think about what it would mean for her to be one of the other 3 logical classes that people speculated she would be:

1) Elementalist: Gwen is barely legal. And you want to see her do the jiggly dance? You sickos.....

2) Warrior: If tiny Gwen is the warrior, then Jora would have to be the mesmer..... that would look very awkward watching such a large woman spin and twirl like that. What if she tripped? She'd fall on you or your pet bird and crush you like the tiny two-legs that you are. As you can see from the gear she's hauling around in the following picture, it made far more sense to make her a tank (if not somewhat stereotypical)

3) Monk: This would be downright boring. We already had a main character Mhenlo as a monk, and now we want to make Gwen a monk too? Same old same old. And being zen as a monk doesn't really fit the embittered attitude that Gwen has been showing in this expansion. Gwen is mad.... and when you're mad you wanna get even. And what more fun way to get even with the enemy than to have them hurt themselves.... and Gwen doesn't seem like the type to mess with corpses so the logical conclusion is to make her a mesmer.

Shuuda · Sep 04, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Surge is absolutely terrible in PvE.

E-Surge is absolutely terrible anywhere, PvP and PvE, the damage sucks, the E denal sucks, bad recharge, bad cost for what it does. End of story as far as that skill goes.

arcady · Sep 05, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

Remember Gwen grows very fast compare to real human girl, she must have limited strength compare to other heroes

I know you're comment's meant to be tongue in cheek, but just to consider the point...

...If she was 10-12 in the original game, she's maybe 16-18 now if its 6 years after pre-searing. I thought Gw:En took place a few years after chapter 1 concludes, but if it doesn't, she's still maybe 16-18.

In pre-modern ages, that puts her into adulthood. By the standards of anytime before the industrial revolution, adulthood often began at 14-16... I'd say that explains all the wars we've had in history, but we're still having them...

Cass · Sep 05, 2007, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by dragonofinfinity

mesmers are effective in any PvE situation, well at least when i take one AKA all the time its possible.

The argument is that other classes would be more effective in the vast majority of PvE situations.

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Originally Posted by arcady

Having spent countless hours failing to get through Droknar's run on three different characters and assorted hero combos so far, I can say effectiveness is not just about farming.

Next time I log into Guild Wars, somebody other than me is going to be making a good amount of coin running me through there... Much as I hate running or getting run, it's just not fun anymore trying and failing. Of course, I didn't have access to Gwen last time I tried...

Anytime I run a quest or a mission, I think about what's going to be effective. If I bring 'A', I'll be there for so many hours or minutes, but if I bring 'B' instead, can I cut that in half given that the challenge involves something 'B' is tuned for?

Droks run is a solo running affair. This is not what I'd call normal gameplay in which you take a party of 8 players and try to fight through the area. Rather, it is a farming exercise. You are trying to do exactly 1 thing (running past the mobs), and once you have found the build for this, you repeat this for the reward (service fees).

Effectiveness is of course needed to the degree that you shouldn't bring totally inept stuff into an area and spending a lot of time failing. The thing is though, you can take a mesmer hench instead of a fire ele and still be effective enough. There are going to be some casters, usually, and the mes will interrupts some of their stuff. Good enough. And I'd rather tweak a skill here and there on a team setup that I 'just like', than trying to strive for maximum efficiency only... as that can be boring.

EPO Bot · Sep 05, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Does Gwen ever say "My name is Gwen and i don't like yoooouuuu!!" In GW:EN?

I think i'm going to let her use fire. Just because i can.

Avarre · Sep 05, 2007, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

E-Surge is absolutely terrible anywhere, PvP and PvE, the damage sucks, the E denal sucks, bad recharge, bad cost for what it does. End of story as far as that skill goes.

You might want to take another look at that.

william1975 · Sep 05, 2007, 10:09 AM // 10:09

I love my mesmer, i only wish it was a survivor.

Unfortunatley playing mesmer myself i dont tend to bring another, though if i could have 7 heroes i would. I ike to fill my party iwth two spearchuckers and a mm, just to be able to overwhelm the enemy,

However i find it easiest doing HM with my mesmer, 200 damage in a matter of secs to a bunch of enemy is the best way to clear maps, if only icould build my mesmer heroes that way it woudl be cool.

Anyway i think its obvious why Gwen was made a mesmer, as she plainly stated in Pre searing Ascalon she wanted to be one, however just because you want to do somethign as a child doesn't mean you will as an adult.

Gwen could have been some other profession, with how she wants revenge a warrior or assassin woudl have be quite apropriate, and she has the figure for an assassin

Mesmer rocks if you know how to use it, and i certainly find a fast casting air spiker works a hell of a lot better than an ele, just not as must damage.

haggus71 · Sep 05, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

And Livia looks like an ele. I can run her and Gwen with Norgu as their pimp. Yeeeeaaaaahh!

Longasc · Sep 05, 2007, 10:25 AM // 10:25

Gwen sucks not because she is a Mesmer.

1. Gwen sucks because the AI can only handle the most simple builds.
2. Mesmers are not a simple class. The AI cannot make strategic decisions.
3. Heroes cannot use the PvE skills.

Even bad human Mesmers can hardly go wrong with that in PvE: 16 Illusion, 13 FC.

Signet of Illusions, Wandering Eye, Clumsiness, Ether Nightmare, Cry of Pain - 3 more slots leftover, maybe Empathy and Res Chant. Works even with low Kurzick/SS rank.

Also, Pedobear advised me to take her along, but then came Livia and Hayda , and I rather sent her to her to the Kindergarten. I asked a good "uncle" of hers to take care of her.

Snow Bunny · Sep 06, 2007, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Surena

No, they can't do anything better than all the other classes, in fact there are even more reasons to bring a moebius-sin than any mesmer at all.

The "you plebeians fail at Guild Wars because you fail to accept, recognize and appreciate the Mesmer class"-attitude is arrogant. Some should learn thinking outside PvP, even though it would mean getting off the high horse.

Regarding PvP there is no single doubt that they are far from underestimated and one of the most powerful classes, if not the most - that however does not belong here.

Except....mesmers have PD, and Powerblock...and cool shit like that. And she just powerblocked that Ele boss that would've party-wiped your heroes had you not taken her along.

Did Gwen just...? No! OMG she just did!

Wait for it...

Gwen just diverted your reply.

Coloneh · Sep 06, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

except that my zhed shadowhoof can do the exact same thing then go back to spamming Rodgot's Invocation.

Kook~NBK~ · Sep 06, 2007, 03:34 AM // 03:34

A demonstartion of why I've stayed out of this discussion!

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

E-Surge is absolutely terrible anywhere, PvP and PvE, the damage sucks, the E denal sucks, bad recharge, bad cost for what it does. End of story as far as that skill goes.

1. "E-Surge is terrible anywhere." It's great against large groups of bunched up Heckets, (especially the ones with the crocs). It's a wonderful initial spike on Margonites in Domain of Secrets. Combine it with LB gaze and you've done some serious damage!There are other examples, but in most PvE cases, I don't use it.

2. "The E-denial sucks." Anyone trying to play e-denial in PvE doesn't know the mechanics of the game.

3. "Bad recharge." Yeah, a bit rough there. But, it's not meant to be spammed.

4. "Bad cost for what it does." Well, yeah, if you don't use it well. Take the Margonites in DoS. Those mobs like to expand and contract. If you hit them with E-surge as an initial attack when they're grouped up, at level 3 LB, you do 92 damage to each and every one of them. If you hit 7 of the group, that's 644 damage. Not bad for 10e!

unreal_uk · Sep 13, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...l_uk/gw601.jpg

Amen to Mesmers!

Mesmer skills can arm even bad spellcasting professions like Warriors with a surprising arsenal!

I love my W/Me. It might not be the most intricately designed build for a specific purpose (it's just a general purpose exploring build), but it's such fun to play! I use it to focus on single spellcasters at the back line, but it gives the rest of their allies something to think about too as they crowd together! It's like a tactical nuke to soften up a group before I charge in swinging.

What is missing in this shot is the 5 or 6 '-101's' that had already disappeared from the Lightbringer skill. It was superb for destroying tightly packed groups of Margonites. The build has changed somewhat for general exploring in GW:EN. Opening a fight with a margonite group with a 189 damage spike from a WARRIOR - good times. Then my fellow casters open up and all hell breaks loose.

I love Mesmers, as Primaries, as Secondaries, as concepts, as practical problem solvers.

Mordakai · Sep 13, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

The real issue is why doesn't Anet fix Power Block? Right now it doesn't actually shut down an attribute on monsters like it should.

Aleta · Sep 13, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

still pissed. tmesmers suck at PvE. theres no place in my party for a character just because she has pretty clothes.

If that is your opinion you truly do not understand the value of a mesmer at all.

Of course thankfully it's only your opinion and not the reality of what mesmers can do.

Bryant Again · Sep 14, 2007, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga

2) Warrior: If tiny Gwen is the warrior, then Jora would have to be the mesmer..... that would look very awkward watching such a large woman spin and twirl like that. What if she tripped? She'd fall on you or your pet bird and crush you like the tiny two-legs that you are. As you can see from the gear she's hauling around in the following picture, it made far more sense to make her a tank.

I think it'd be pretty fitting if Jora was an Ele. Then make Vekk a mesmer, and GWEN a whammo. That'd be fine in my book.

lg5000 · Sep 14, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by higaru

Simple: mesmers are great in Pve, just learn how to use 'em!!!

Sorry, I'm quoting you rather than you and everyone else with the same opinion..

My current build since factions has basically been:

Ineptitude
Clumsiness
Clumsiness sig
Conjure Nightmare
Conjure phantasm
spare slot (usually an interupt)
the first skill in the inspiration line (energy management)
res

You don't need SKILL to play that bar! Its quite effective (especially against 'sin's) and unlike backfire... pve casters wand things so ineptitude does damage.

Your average hero sux at the energy management and conjure nightmare, so I've changed the setup for that if I'm using something other than a mesmer to play the game.

As for Gwen being a mesmer.. I'm not finding much use for her but that's because my primary is a mesmer and I'm not far enough into the game to have her on any of my other characters.

Malice Black · Sep 14, 2007, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Enough with the childish name calling, if you want to act like little kids, do it elsewhere.

cute_dragon · Sep 14, 2007, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

still pissed. tmesmers suck at PvE. theres no place in my party for a character just because she has pretty clothes.

Well, my main char is Me, and I almost only play PvE...
Just 2 Weeks and I have my 10th title maxed and I'm always welcome in Guild-Teams... May it be as domination with backfire & emphathy or degen me/n or interrupter; all are eased against many foes if I'm in the team.

I think you're one of the pitiful gamers who really don't know what mesmers can do. You only see direct damage and healing and not the damage mesmers can take out.
Tell me another class who can blind a mass of foes in one second and additional can take out a Caster boss for whole the time?

If u skill Gwen well, she will make the whole 4 Campaigns really easy.
I played even UW with her and cleared it almost whole, because she took out the hardest opponents...

Just give her a try, and you will see, that she isn't only the best suited hero but also very efficient in many situations... U wont miss ur standard imba-r0xx0r-SF-Zhed or ur MM-ftw-Olias, u'll see ^^